October 1, 2009

Episode 110: Bad Chicks

19 comments:

Vichus Smith said...

:) :) :) :) Downcast

XantesFire said...

Jar jar, as written by Lucas was suppose to be a cutesy character, the majority of the audience thought he was an annoying waste of script. That's a fail. Ruby Rhod, in the 5th Element was purposely annoying in order to antagonize Korben. "Supergreen."

Thoom said...

Ruby Rhod annoyed the audience as much as Jar Jar Binks did. That's a fail.

And Vichus, why are you smiling at DownCast like a groupie bitch?

XantesFire said...

Nope, he was purposely annoying, he annoyed his fellow fictional characters, and he annoyed and entertained the audience. That was his purpose, he fulfilled it. Bzzzz.

vichussmith said...

Let's agree that neither Jar Jar nor Ruby successfully came across in the way that their authors intended them to be.

And Downcast, :) ;)

(My word verification was kinge, which reminds me to catch up with the show Fringe)

XantesFire said...

Nope, I believe that the author wanted Ruby to be annoying, that's why you get the great annoyed smirks from Bruce Willis.

It's like Urkel from Family Matters and Screech from Saved by the Bell, those are intentional annoying characters.

Barney the purple dinosaur and Clark from Smallville, they were not meant to be annoying characters but they are. Just like Jar Jar.

Intentional annoying characters have a place in their stories because the writer put them there. Unintentional annoying characters can add to the story but most of the time you're just trying to figure out why? Why?

Thoom said...

Writing Intentionally annoying characters into a screenplay is a mistake that degrades the story.

XantesFire said...

Really, what about Ace Ventura, DeeDee from Dexter's Lab, Ross from Friends, Golden Girls, Starscream from the original Transformers, Lenny and Squiggy from Laverne & Shirley, SpongeBob Squarepants, Tutti from Facts of Life, Becky from Roseanne, Elmo, Bugs Bunny, Woody Woodpecker, George and Kramer on Seinfeld.

vichussmith said...

Well, I cannot agree with Ace Ventura, but usually an antagonist can be4 intentionally annoying, because you're not rooting for them anyway.

You're actually supposed to root for Ace Ventura to be annoying, because he's being annoying to bad or uptight people. Ton Loc? He's anything but a Funky Cold Medina. Totally uptight and deserves white buttcheeks in his face.

XantesFire said...

You don't think people weren't rooting for Ace?

vichussmith said...

I think people went to see Ace Ventura: Pet Detective because they liked Jim Carey as Ace, yes.

XantesFire said...

Which is why Ace Ventura ran for 3 seasons and without Jim Carey.

Thoom said...

Who was watching Ace Ventura cartton but a bunch of idiot kids? I remember rushing home from my weekly allergy shots at the doctor's office to see the new Pac Man cartoon when I was 10. Kid TV viewers are dummies.

XantesFire said...

Yes, but it was an intentional annoying character created in order to merchandise a product and it seemed to have worked for about 3 seasons.

How long did the annoying characters worked for the other shows I mentioned? Properly created and placed an annoying character adds to the story. Ruby Rhod added to the story cause he was part of the contest Korben won to get on the ship, he gave a weird insight to their future world, he introduced some of the various minor characters, and basically he goofed around.

vichussmith said...

...which all goes to prove to you that the character is not annoying to its audience.

I think the difference between Ace Ventura and other characters we've been talking about is that when you went in to see Ace Ventura, you knew what to expect. Who expected Jar Jar or Chris Tucker in their sci-fi? Was Ruby Rhod even in the trailers for The 5th Element?

Thoom said...

No, he wasn't.

XantesFire said...

Yeah he was, slightly.
More so in the DVD release, but what does it matter Ruby wasn't a main character.

Actually no, they are still annoying, they are also entertaining. Seriously try watching an hour of the Ace Ventura cartoon. And I'm not saying all the annoying characters have to be annoying to the audience, just that in some way they are annoying. Like Bugs and Woody, they annoyed whoever they came up against, but I don't think they annoyed the audience. Except for maybe when they would dress up as females and marry their antagonist, but I think that just annoyed the religious right.

Ruby was a drama queen, screeched, high pitch voice, naive, stupid to things he didn't consider important to his world, fruity dressing black man, wait a sec. Is that it? 5th Element is a great Heavy Metalish scifi flick, has a cult following, 12 years later and you still have atleast one Leeloo at almost every con. But it's that one of the two black men in the movie is an annoying pantsy that bothers you?

vichussmith said...

Maybe you should read what you're writing. Ace Ventura was not only a successful movie, but it was so successful that it got a cartoon series that kids liked enough for it to go on past a season.

Not everyone's going to like that character; people hate characters who aren't annoying. HOWEVER, a lot of people liked that character because he was funny, not because they were annoyed by him.

XantesFire said...

What did I write that I need to reread, I been calling these type intentionally annoying characters, I never said they need to annoy the audience.

I might have misspoke on this one, but that's cause I only remembered your first paragraph when I wrote to rebutt it.

"You don't think people weren't rooting for Ace?

October 6, 2009 6:12 AM"

"Well, I cannot agree with Ace Ventura, but usually an antagonist can be4 intentionally annoying, because you're not rooting for them anyway.

You're actually supposed to root for Ace Ventura to be annoying, because he's being annoying to bad or uptight people. Ton Loc? He's anything but a Funky Cold Medina. Totally uptight and deserves white buttcheeks in his face.

October 5, 2009 11:51 AM"

Who said it wasn't successful? It was successful cause it had an intentionally annoying character.